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Poster: dead-head_Monte Date: Nov 15, 2011 9:28am
Forum: occupywallstreet Subject: Nothing has changed? What are they thinking?

NYC cops raid Occupy Wall Street camp; Oakland cops raid Occupy camp; Denver cops raid Occupy camp; Portland (OR) cops raid Occupy camp; Chicago cops raid Occupy camp; Boston cops raid Occupy camp. Now the Denver cops are issuing parking citations to anyone who drives by Occupy Denver to make donations to protesters. If they pull their car over to the curb to make a donation, they get a parking ticket! Fort Collins city leaders decided to run Occupy Fort Collins off their corner. Today at 4 p.m. we are going to march from College and Maple to our new location at Creekside Park. This is the corner of College and Johnson. This is what Democracy looks like!

This Forum and myself have discussed in great detail three of the biggest downside-issues facing OWS movements:
1) Lack of an "OWS message(s)". I have tried to help this cause. I've posted in detail about global warming and climate change crimes, wall street crimes, environmental pollution crimes, student loan crimes, out-sourcing jobs to commit slave-labor crimes, the crimes of the illegal war in Iraq, illegal spying on Americans crimes, commiting torture crimes, and more. No one in the One Per Cent club is being arrested, charged with a crime(s), prosecuted for a crime, found guilty in a court of law, and sent to prison.

2) We have many OWS protest encampments that have become magnets for homeless people.
• number of homeless people in the U.S.A.
-- Homelessness in the United States - Wikipedia
-- Tent city - Wikipedia
-- How Many People Experience Homelessness? - National Coalition for the Homeless, July 2009
-- number of homeless people in the U.S.A. - Googled for you

• number of homeless people jailed in the U.S.A.
-- The Criminalization of Homelessness in U.S. Cities - National Coalition for the Homeless
-- Homelessness is prevalent among people released from prison - Reentry Policy Council
-- Homeless Children: America's New Outcasts - Nat'l Center on Family Homelessness
-- number of homeless people jailed in the U.S.A - Googled for you

number of homeless people using drugs in the U.S.A. - Googled for you
number of homeless people raped in the U.S.A. - Googled for you
number of homeless people mentally impaired in the U.S.A. - Googled for you
3) There are Agent Provocateurs amongst OWS movements, groups, and encampments. This is a Big Problem for everyone. Some OWS groups have "moderators" who are attempting to do self-policing.
An agent provocateur is a person employed by the police or other entity to act undercover to entice or provoke another person to commit an illegal act. More generally, the term may refer to a person or group that seeks to discredit or harm another by provoking them to commit a wrong or rash action.

As a known tool to prevent infiltration by agents provocateurs, the organizers of large or controversial assemblies may deploy and coordinate demonstration marshals, also called stewards. OWS movements deploy this tactic.
The list of sheeple-run-towns and sheeple-run-cities whose sheeple-leaders are ordering their sheeple-cops to be raiding Occupy Wall Street camps grows and grows. Many cities' sheeple-cops (and State Patrol sheeple-cops) have conducted numerous Occupy encampment raids. I'm guessing that nearly 4000 Occupy Movement Protesters have been arrested nationwide since OWS began. NO criminal-CEOs, NO criminal-bankers, and NO criminal-wall-street-analysts have been arrested on Wall Street. I repeat, the number is ZERO!

Most cities are having their cops wearing full riot gear when they raid OWS camps and parks. Many cities have their cops conducting these raids in the middle of the night. Last night's raid in NYC was no different. The city cleared out Zuccotti Park in the wee hours of this morning, in attempt to end the nearly two-month-old Occupy Wall Street occupation. Sheeple-Cops and sheeple-sanitation workers destroyed much of the occupiers' gear.

Police entered the park and told occupiers to leave or risk arrest. They began dismantling all of the camping equipment. One witness said, "there were tens of thousands of dollars worth of broken or totally wasted tents and sleeping bags and stuff." Witnesses reported that the tents were ripped apart with box cutters to render them unusable.

"It was amazing," said one protester. "They really treated every speck of anything like it was total garbage."

Last night's raid on the NYC park came just two days before a massive protest is scheduled to mark the start of the third month of Occupy Wall Street. In a statement Mayor Mike Bloomberg said he had become increasingly concerned that the occupation was coming to pose a "health and fire safety hazard to the protesters and to the surrounding community." Sound familiar?

I guess, as far as Sheeple-thinkers are concerned, OWS is finished. It's all over. Sheeple-thinkers will enjoy their short-lived fake-victory today. Sheeple-thinkers aren't thinking much about tomorrow, their futures, your futures, or my future, imo.

Taking pot-shots at OWS issues I provided on this Forum is not an effective tactic. With pride I stated that taking pot-shots like these was mostly about "shooting the messenger." Then I further responded by taking more opportunity to clarify more of "the issues" facing the 99 per cent.

OWS is having trouble clarifying "their message". Do not get lost in this distraction. All The Mainstream Media can do is to focus on that. In the process they spew out more lies, more venom, more yelling, more misinformation, and more propaganda.

The issues We ARE facing are perfectly clear. They are not "going away." Ignore them at your own risk. Nothing has changed, imo. Our Future Is Hurting - Planet Earth IS Suffering!

OWS is not over. This is a Peaceful Movement. It's just beginning. What are the one per-cent thinking? What's next?

This post was modified by dead-head_Monte on 2011-11-15 17:28:50

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Nov 15, 2011 2:14pm
Forum: occupywallstreet Subject: Re: Gil-Scott got it wrong

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Nov 16, 2011 10:37am
Forum: occupywallstreet Subject: Re: Gil-Scott got it wrong

Wait, Gil-Scott was wrong? Do mean to tell me that Petticoat Junction IS so damn relevant?

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Poster: NoiseCollector Date: Nov 16, 2011 2:44pm
Forum: occupywallstreet Subject: Re: Girl-Scout got it wrong

Thin mints?

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Nov 16, 2011 2:54pm
Forum: occupywallstreet Subject: Re: Girl-Scout got it wrong

Pretty damn funny - both of you.

Did Dick finally get down with Jane?

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Poster: DeadRed1971 Date: Nov 15, 2011 3:01pm
Forum: occupywallstreet Subject: Re: Gil-Scott got it wrong

Intensities in tent cities.

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Poster: dead-head_Monte Date: Nov 15, 2011 3:16pm
Forum: occupywallstreet Subject: Re: Gil-Scott got it wrong

More intensities in more tent cities in more than ten cities.

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Poster: unclejohn52 Date: Nov 15, 2011 9:03am
Forum: occupywallstreet Subject: Re: Nothing has changed? The battle continues

NEW YORK (AP) -- The National Lawyers Guild says it has obtained a court order that allows Occupy Wall St. protesters to return with tents to a New York City park.

The guild says the injunction prevents the city from enforcing park rules on Occupy Wall Street protesters.

Mayor Michael Bloomberg says the city knew about the court order but has not seen it. He says the city plans to go court immediately.

Zuccotti Park was cleared overnight so that crews could clean it. Bloomberg says that was done "to reduce the risk of confrontation."

He says the city had planned to allow the protesters back in the park after it was cleaned. Under the city's plans, protesters would not be allowed to use tents, sleeping bags, or tarps and would have to follow all park rules.

The city says that the property removed from the park is being kept in storage, and that protesters can retrieve their belongings with a photo ID.

On Tuesday the National Lawyers' Guild New York Chapter released this statement on the judge's order:

New York, NY: At around 6 AM on November 15, 2011, attorneys associated with the New York City Chapter of the National Lawyers Guild working as the Liberty Park Legal Working Group obtained a temporary restraining order against the City of New York, various City agencies, and Brookfield properties directing that occupiers be allowed back on the premises with their belongings.
Earlier, at approximately 1 AM, the NYPD began massing around Zuccotti Park "aka Liberty Park." In the following hours reports surfaced that the NYPD entered the park with police in riot gear backed up by numerous police vehicles, including a bulldozer, evicting occupiers. In the process they destroyed property and arrested dozens of occupiers and protestors including NYC Councilmember Ydanis Rodriguez and District Leader Paul Newell.
In the coming hours, days and weeks the LPLWG will pursue all legal options to enable the occupiers to continue to exercise their first amendment rights to speech and assembly for speech. Attorney Yetta Kurland, one of the attorneys from the LPLWG, said, “This is a victory for everyone who believes in the First Amendment. We will continue to fight for everyone’s right to continue the occupation." In response to the injunction, Daniel Alterman, also an attorney with the LPLWG, stated that, “This is a victory for all Americans, for the constitution and for the 99%." Gideon Oliver, another attorney with the LPLWG reacted by saying, “The LPLWG has been fighting to ensure their right to free speech from day one of the occupation. The occupiers right to free speech is based in our most core legal principles and we will be here till the end to fight for those rights."

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Poster: dead-head_Monte Date: Nov 16, 2011 8:13am
Forum: occupywallstreet Subject: Re: Nothing has changed? The battle continues

re: Bloomberg said "the city planned"... The Cities Conspired! We have Proof!

Police Crackdowns on Occupy Protests From Oakland to New York Herald “The New Military Urbanism"

After a wave of raids across the country in which police in riot gear broke up Occupy Wall Street encampments and arrested protesters, Oakland Mayor Jean Quan acknowledged in an interview with the BBC that she participated in a conference call with officials from 18 cities about how to deal with the Occupy movement.

As police forces violently crack down on protests across the United States and Europe, we look at the increasing influence of military technology on domestic police forces. Stephen Graham is professor of Cities and Society at Newcastle University in the U.K. His book is, “Cities Under Siege: The New Military Urbanism.” “Why the Occupy movement is so powerful, what it’s demonstrating, is that by occupying public spaces around the world — and particularly these extremely symbolic public spaces — it’s reasserting that the city is the foundation space for democracy,” Graham says.

Watch or Listen to the today's 14-minute interview with Stephen Graham: